This blog is specifically for medical students interested in orthopaedics and orthopaedic residents. It is orthopaedic residency from the attending's perspective.
Women and underrepresented minorities make up smaller proportions of orthopaedic residency programs than their numbers in medical school would predict, according to our evaluation of self-reported orthopaedic residency data from 1998 and 2001, as well as information on medical students published in 2002. Based on race, ethnicity, and sex, comparisons were made between students entering and graduating from medical school and those in orthopaedic residency programs. With few exceptions, the percentages of women and underrepresented minorities were statistically significantly lower among those training in orthopaedic residency programs compared with those same groups entering and graduating from medical school. The percentage of women and minorities in orthopaedic residency programs remained constant between 1998 and 2001. Further study is necessary to determine whether fewer students of color and women apply to orthopaedic residency programs becauseof lack of interest, lack of appropriate mentoring and role models, or other factors.
As the demographic face of our nation changes, the orthopaedic community is evolving to reflect and adapt to these critical shifts in the landscape. Recognizing the value and strength inherent in our diverse population is a first step. But our larger goal remains embracing solutions and mechanisms that give all people access to and a place in our healthcare system.These are exciting times! The world is changing. Its face grows more diverse each day. The AAOS is committed to keeping, and setting, the pace. As our population grows rapidly more diverse, our need grows significantly for physicians who reflect this diversity and are accessible to communities and individuals with unique needs. The AAOS is taking the lead to ensure all people will be served appropriately by the field of orthopaedics.
Excellent post. Also interesting to learn more about your background. I already knew your race (don't know how, just did).I love to read your perspectives on things. I love that none of us are completely alike. How boring would that be? I think it's wonderful too, for children to meet others like themselves; it lets them know they can aspire to become anything they set their minds to."Today, I put myself out there as someone that medical students and residents can relate to." You also help those of us that are not in the field, to learn more about what it is you do and how you feel about doing it. I always enjoy reading your posts. Well done.
I felt some of that as a woman trying first to get into an ortho residency (didn't happen) and then into general surgery before moving on to plastic surgery. I wanted to do hand surgery. Made the mistake of coming back to Arkansas where the ortho guys have the hand surgery pretty well sewn up. I get pleasure out of the reconstructive (fixing things) side of plastics much more than the cosmetic side. I envy you that your family put the pressure on you to go to college. Mine did not. I felt like a "failure" in my mother's eyes until I got married at age 33. I think she is proud of me now, but she grew up in the "culture" of woman got married and had babies. My out-side influences (and inner self) bucked that. I think maybe she thought I didn't think "highly enough" of her. We are all influenced by many things, aren't we? Take care. Lovely post!
Excellent post. I have a mixed heritage and I always put other or leave blank the ethnicity box. It always irritates me when I see that question. There are some older women general surgeons in my town and they awe me for having made it through what had to be an intimidating men's club at the time they were training. As for orthopaedic surgeons, there is only one woman in my town and though I have never worked with her, I hear that she is excellent.
You have a very rich heritage! It is wonderful that you know it. So many of us don't. I knew there was artistry in your blood. ;^]
It is a very odd thing to be a woman in ortho. I have attendings who ask [with concern] if the program is "female friendly", then whine about being "tortured" by working with the woman resident...it is offensive and demeaning. It also makes me see through the "concern." I just keep trying to remind myself that I have more options open to me than my parents because of their hard work. I hope to open more doors for those who follow...
You’ve touched on a very sensitive issue. Let me preface this with I am not easily bother nor usually surprised by things that often. I am currently in medical and our school holds a “hospital day” once a year. Not sure how common among med schools it is. This is a day where a hotel conference room is rented out by our school and representatives from prospective hospitals have booths in where we can get information about their sites. They try and sell us on their hospital for electives during our latter years in medical school. This day was probably my worst day in medical school so far, a jaw dropping experience. Although, not yet completely certain of what I want to specialize in, I have been looking into several selective subspecialties. I thought this was a opportunity for me to find out more about the programs. Hmmmm my first conversation went something like this: Representative: “Hi, nice to meet you. So what subspecialty are you interested in.” Me: “ I’ve heard great things about the ortho program at your facility, could you please tell me a little more about the program.” Rep: “you know, our ortho program is highly selective. It’s a tight-knit, group of guys. You spend a whole lot of time with these individuals and I just don’t think you would fit in.” No joke, my jaw physically dropped! In this day and age, because of who I am would still exclude me from certain programs?!? Are you serious? This individual knew nothing about me: who I was as a person, what my grades, scores, or what my values are. Ok I thought, maybe it was just that one program/representative. Well as the day wore on, subsequent representatives were not as blunt but I seemed to get the same general response from more than one. Maybe my viewpoint was a bit bias due to the first encounter. Maybe I read too much into it what the subsequent reps said. Yet, I feel like I’m a good judge of character and can read people very well. These representatives were very friendly and cordial when I first introduced myself and met them. Then, once they realized my program of interest within their school it seemed like they no longer wished to continue the conversation. Even through organizations like the AAOS have started encouraging minorities to apply to certain programs I don’t think this will drastically change the discrepancy ratios within the field. What needs to change is the attitude among certain programs. An attitude I honestly didn’t know still existed. You expressed the idea that a problem is a lack of “like” mentors. I would have to disagree. I am a strong person and don’t need anyone to have treaded before me to make way. I think a problem is the likeness among the mentors themselves and their naivety and inability to see beyond certain superficial aspects. I understand it is changing, albeit slowly.
Chryalis: you know our minds were separated at birth :) ... cosmic connection.life would be pretty boring if we were all the same. like reliving the same day over and over. BORING.rlbates: hey you know we have a resident in our program that started on the plastic route an switch with plans to pursue hand. no she like a number of things other than hand. reconstructing is probably the most rewarding part of what i do. i couldn't do cosmetics. as a woman, the pressures are so different. societal views have changes, somewhat, but the family pressure is still there. i have been influenced by many strong women in my family. in truth, i probably wouldn't be here without them. HI MOM :)mmt: hello my brown sister ;). the whole categorizing of people bothers me. probably the most bothersome question i get is "soooo, where are you from?" ... interpretation, what are you?and yes, the older women who came through surgery had to endure some significant hardships along the way. it definitely made them tougher.anon: i personally don't care about race, religion, gender or social status, i just want someone who wants to work, wants to learn, and give good care. ortho is STILL a very testosterone driven specialty. if you are a woman in ortho, for know, they do have to try to be the one of the guys and tolerate some of the male adolescent behavior. for me, the torture comes with uninterested, unprepared, slacking residents. gender and race don't matter.dc: i am sorry you had that experience. my jaw would drop as well. i think things are changing, but people don't changes as quickly. the ratios won't change quickly. it is not because of encouragement, it is more because of the numbers applying. i don't thing the numbers are that high.i disagree with you in regards to mentors. mentors, great educators, or important people in your life influence decisions. if you had a like mentor (in this field), s/he could help you through this incident. all my mentors were "majority," they did have significant influence on me. it is part of the reason why i am doing peds. if students see people like them in a program, they would be more likely to select that program or specialty. ratio difference is not because their match rate is low, it is because the number of applicants is low.
You know it, Someonetc.;) (We can't have boring now, can we?)I felt mad reading what DC ran up against. How dare they! For all their feelings of superiority - their lack of intelligence was showing. It just burns me to think they could potentially turn away a bright, qualified individual. It makes no sense to me. Good luck in whatever you decide to do DC. Don't let anyone keep you from what you want out of life. Let those like that, only fuel you to succeed!
i enjoyed this post. i delight in diversity. i would definitely have asked you 'what' you are if it wasn't obvious to me but not to discriminate. just because i love diversity and personal history so much. even personal ethnic history. as far as mentors being race specific, in kalafong i had 2 black consultants. one was an arrogant bombastic moron of questionable surgical ability. the other was a hard working humble genius. in all groups you get the excellent ones and the bad apples. i despised the one and had nothing but respect for the other. race was not even a consideration. my white seniors also fell both sides of the line. once again race didn't play a role for me.having waxed lyrical, in my country both the previous government and the present government hold race up as the most important factor. discrimination breeds discrimination. i will not be a part of that.
I would like to thank you, thank you for posting, sharing and teaching. I am a medical student in a European country and i found your blog by accident.I am not planning to be a orthopaedic surgeon however i love reading you blog. I find your posts inspiring. It is obvious to me through your posts that you are caring and passionate as teacher and as a person. I know from experience that an educator with those qualities can make all the differnce. I just wanted you to know that you make me think and you inspire me. Thank you very much.Please forgive my english,english isnt my mother language!
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Excellent post. Also interesting to learn more about your background. I already knew your race (don't know how, just did).
I love to read your perspectives on things. I love that none of us are completely alike. How boring would that be? I think it's wonderful too, for children to meet others like themselves; it lets them know they can aspire to become anything they set their minds to.
"Today, I put myself out there as someone that medical students and residents can relate to." You also help those of us that are not in the field, to learn more about what it is you do and how you feel about doing it. I always enjoy reading your posts. Well done.
I felt some of that as a woman trying first to get into an ortho residency (didn't happen) and then into general surgery before moving on to plastic surgery. I wanted to do hand surgery. Made the mistake of coming back to Arkansas where the ortho guys have the hand surgery pretty well sewn up.
I get pleasure out of the reconstructive (fixing things) side of plastics much more than the cosmetic side.
I envy you that your family put the pressure on you to go to college. Mine did not. I felt like a "failure" in my mother's eyes until I got married at age 33. I think she is proud of me now, but she grew up in the "culture" of woman got married and had babies. My out-side influences (and inner self) bucked that. I think maybe she thought I didn't think "highly enough" of her.
We are all influenced by many things, aren't we? Take care. Lovely post!
Excellent post. I have a mixed heritage and I always put other or leave blank the ethnicity box. It always irritates me when I see that question.
There are some older women general surgeons in my town and they awe me for having made it through what had to be an intimidating men's club at the time they were training. As for orthopaedic surgeons, there is only one woman in my town and though I have never worked with her, I hear that she is excellent.
You have a very rich heritage! It is wonderful that you know it. So many of us don't. I knew there was artistry in your blood. ;^]
It is a very odd thing to be a woman in ortho. I have attendings who ask [with concern] if the program is "female friendly", then whine about being "tortured" by working with the woman resident...it is offensive and demeaning. It also makes me see through the "concern."
I just keep trying to remind myself that I have more options open to me than my parents because of their hard work. I hope to open more doors for those who follow...
You’ve touched on a very sensitive issue. Let me preface this with I am not easily bother nor usually surprised by things that often.
I am currently in medical and our school holds a “hospital day” once a year. Not sure how common among med schools it is. This is a day where a hotel conference room is rented out by our school and representatives from prospective hospitals have booths in where we can get information about their sites. They try and sell us on their hospital for electives during our latter years in medical school.
This day was probably my worst day in medical school so far, a jaw dropping experience. Although, not yet completely certain of what I want to specialize in, I have been looking into several selective subspecialties. I thought this was a opportunity for me to find out more about the programs. Hmmmm my first conversation went something like this:
Representative: “Hi, nice to meet you. So what subspecialty are you interested in.”
Me: “ I’ve heard great things about the ortho program at your facility, could you please tell me a little more about the program.”
Rep: “you know, our ortho program is highly selective. It’s a tight-knit, group of guys. You spend a whole lot of time with these individuals and I just don’t think you would fit in.”
No joke, my jaw physically dropped! In this day and age, because of who I am would still exclude me from certain programs?!? Are you serious? This individual knew nothing about me: who I was as a person, what my grades, scores, or what my values are. Ok I thought, maybe it was just that one program/representative. Well as the day wore on, subsequent representatives were not as blunt but I seemed to get the same general response from more than one. Maybe my viewpoint was a bit bias due to the first encounter. Maybe I read too much into it what the subsequent reps said. Yet, I feel like I’m a good judge of character and can read people very well. These representatives were very friendly and cordial when I first introduced myself and met them. Then, once they realized my program of interest within their school it seemed like they no longer wished to continue the conversation.
Even through organizations like the AAOS have started encouraging minorities to apply to certain programs I don’t think this will drastically change the discrepancy ratios within the field. What needs to change is the attitude among certain programs. An attitude I honestly didn’t know still existed.
You expressed the idea that a problem is a lack of “like” mentors. I would have to disagree. I am a strong person and don’t need anyone to have treaded before me to make way. I think a problem is the likeness among the mentors themselves and their naivety and inability to see beyond certain superficial aspects. I understand it is changing, albeit slowly.
Chryalis: you know our minds were separated at birth :) ... cosmic connection.
life would be pretty boring if we were all the same. like reliving the same day over and over. BORING.
rlbates: hey you know we have a resident in our program that started on the plastic route an switch with plans to pursue hand. no she like a number of things other than hand. reconstructing is probably the most rewarding part of what i do. i couldn't do cosmetics.
as a woman, the pressures are so different. societal views have changes, somewhat, but the family pressure is still there. i have been influenced by many strong women in my family. in truth, i probably wouldn't be here without them. HI MOM :)
mmt: hello my brown sister ;). the whole categorizing of people bothers me. probably the most bothersome question i get is "soooo, where are you from?" ... interpretation, what are you?
and yes, the older women who came through surgery had to endure some significant hardships along the way. it definitely made them tougher.
anon: i personally don't care about race, religion, gender or social status, i just want someone who wants to work, wants to learn, and give good care. ortho is STILL a very testosterone driven specialty. if you are a woman in ortho, for know, they do have to try to be the one of the guys and tolerate some of the male adolescent behavior. for me, the torture comes with uninterested, unprepared, slacking residents. gender and race don't matter.
dc: i am sorry you had that experience. my jaw would drop as well. i think things are changing, but people don't changes as quickly. the ratios won't change quickly. it is not because of encouragement, it is more because of the numbers applying. i don't thing the numbers are that high.
i disagree with you in regards to mentors. mentors, great educators, or important people in your life influence decisions. if you had a like mentor (in this field), s/he could help you through this incident. all my mentors were "majority," they did have significant influence on me. it is part of the reason why i am doing peds. if students see people like them in a program, they would be more likely to select that program or specialty. ratio difference is not because their match rate is low, it is because the number of applicants is low.
You know it, Someonetc.;) (We can't have boring now, can we?)
I felt mad reading what DC ran up against. How dare they! For all their feelings of superiority - their lack of intelligence was showing. It just burns me to think they could potentially turn away a bright, qualified individual. It makes no sense to me. Good luck in whatever you decide to do DC. Don't let anyone keep you from what you want out of life. Let those like that, only fuel you to succeed!
i enjoyed this post. i delight in diversity. i would definitely have asked you 'what' you are if it wasn't obvious to me but not to discriminate. just because i love diversity and personal history so much. even personal ethnic history. as far as mentors being race specific, in kalafong i had 2 black consultants. one was an arrogant bombastic moron of questionable surgical ability. the other was a hard working humble genius. in all groups you get the excellent ones and the bad apples. i despised the one and had nothing but respect for the other. race was not even a consideration. my white seniors also fell both sides of the line. once again race didn't play a role for me.
having waxed lyrical, in my country both the previous government and the present government hold race up as the most important factor. discrimination breeds discrimination. i will not be a part of that.
I would like to thank you, thank you for posting, sharing and teaching. I am a medical student in a European country and i found your blog by accident.I am not planning to be a orthopaedic surgeon however i love reading you blog. I find your posts inspiring. It is obvious to me through your posts that you are caring and passionate as teacher and as a person. I know from experience that an educator with those qualities can make all the differnce. I just wanted you to know that you make me think and you inspire me. Thank you very much.
Please forgive my english,english isnt my mother language!
orthopaedic-residency.blogspot.com is very informative. The article is very professionally written. I enjoy reading orthopaedic-residency.blogspot.com every day.
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